tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20088299729689209942012-02-16T10:08:48.616+02:00Tekijöiden asiallaMusiikkialaa ja tekijänoikeutta käsittelevä blogi. Kirjoittajat ovat Säveltäjät ja Sanoittajat ELVIS ry.:n jäseniä, mutta kirjoitukset eivät edusta yhdistyksen virallista kantaa.Petri Kaivantohttps://profiles.google.com/112812425033424525395noreply@blogger.comBlogger31100tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2008829972968920994.post-27740335023486875772011-10-28T19:42:00.000+03:002011-10-28T19:46:52.691+03:00Elisa vs. TTVKHelsingin käräjäoikeuden tekemä 26.10. päätös herättää runsasta keskustelua. Tässä muutamia linkkejä:<br /><br /><a href="http://antipiracy.fi/ajankohtaista/245/oikeus-maarasi-elisan-estamaan-asiakkaidensa/">TTVK:n tiedote</a><br /><a href="http://www.elisa.fi/ir/pressi/index.cfm?t=100&o=5120&did=17563">Elisan tiedote</a><br /><a href="http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2011/10/26/pirate-bay--kiista-siirtyy-hovioikeuteen/201115562/66">Digitodayn uutinen</a><br /><br />Vihreiden nuorten ja opiskelijoiden järjestö, jopa "vaatii hallitukselta toimia internetin vapauden takaamisessa" (lähde: <a href="http://www.vihrealanka.fi/uutiset/suosittu-sivusto-ollaan-sulkemassa-tuhansilta-suomalaisilta-%E2%80%9Dh%C3%A4lytt%C3%A4v%C3%A4%C3%A4%E2%80%9D">Vihreä lanka</a>).<br /><br />Vertaisverkkojakaminen on niin suuri maailmanlaajuinen ongelma, että mielestäni ratkaisut pitää löytää globaalilla tasolla. Yksittäisten maiden oikeusjutut yksittäisiä operaattoreita tai tiedostonjakajia vastaan ovat riittämättömiä toimia. <a href="http://kaivanto.blogspot.com/2010/12/jalkapuu-20.html">Jalkapuu ei nykymaailmassa enää toimi</a>. Olen sivunnut aihetta aiemmin mm. <a href="http://www.elvisry.fi/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=478&Itemid=81">Selvisissä 02/2009</a> ja nettikolumnissani <a href="http://www.elvisry.fi/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=330&Itemid=116">Piraatit jyrää meitin</a>.<br /><br />ELVISin Facebook-sivulla alkoi myös keskustelu, jota olisi parempi jatkaa esim. tämän postauksen kommenttiosastossa.<br /><br /><br /><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{"type":2}" style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 14px; padding-bottom: 3px;"><a data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=616921068" href="https://www.facebook.com/kaivanto" style="color: #3b5998; cursor: pointer; text-decoration: none;">Petri Kaivanto</a></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; line-height: 14px;"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{"type":3}">Asetun ELVISin jäsenenä täysin Elisan kannalle. TTVK, sen jäseninä olevat tekijänoikeusjärjestöt ja Helsingin käräjäoikeus ovat minusta totaalisen pihalla. Rakentavampaa ja kestävämpää olisi vaatia hyvitysmaksu eli "piratismihaittavero" osaksi nettiyhteysmaksuja. 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cursor: pointer; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Vesa Anttila</a> <span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text"></span><br /><div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed" id="id_4eaada0e1e2658c33678464" style="display: inline;"><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text">Elisa luultavasti vastustaa piratismi haittaveroa viimeiseen asti koska silloin niiden pitäisi joka tapauksessa avata tietoa siitä että mikä on waretuksen osuus Elisan dataliikenteestä.</span><br /><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text"><br /></span><br /><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text">Tuossa aamulla tuli tv:stä uusintana MOT Tv1:ltä. <span class="text_exposed_show" style="display: inline;">Siinä sivuttiin teleoperaattoreiden halua ottaa vastuuta joidenkin ihmisten matkapuhelimiin tulevista selittämättömistä laskuista.<br />Kun laskutusperuste on olemassa, on ilmeisesti se ja sama miten se on syntynyt.<br /><br />Piratismihaittaveron yksi hankalimpia puolia lienee se että sen käyttöön otto tekisi tavallaan laittomasta laillisen.</span></span></div><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text"></span><br /><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg" style="color: grey; 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SELVIS 2/2009:<br />"Kalev pohti ääneen myös sellaista utopiaa, että musiikki olisi kansalaisille ilmaista, mutta tilitykset tulisivatkin verotuloista käytön mukaan. Kalev sanoikin keskustelleensa virolaisten poliitikkojen kanssa näistä asioista."</span></span></div><span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text"></span><br /><div class="commentActions fsm fwn fcg" style="color: grey; font-size: 11px; font-weight: normal; padding-top: 2px;"><abbr class="timestamp livetimestamp" data-date="Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:40:10 -0700" style="border-bottom-color: initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: initial;" title="Friday, October 28, 2011 at 12:40pm">about an hour ago</abbr> · <span class="comment_like_291382710886960 fsm fwn fcg" data-ft="{"type":36}" style="color: grey; font-size: 11px; font-weight: normal;"><button class="stat_elem as_link cmnt_like_link" name="like_comment_id[291382710886960]" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: none; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border-bottom-style: none; border-color: initial; 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cursor: pointer; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Eija Hinkkala</a> <span class="commentBody" data-jsid="text">Kyllä me nyt vielä hakkaamme ja auomme päitämme sen puolesta, että hyvitysmaksujärjestelmän laitekanta päivitetään pikaisesti ajan tasalle. Näin saadaan korvauksiin tolkkua ja työrauha uuden, nykyoloihin sopivan systeemin kehittämiselle. Tontti on Arhinmäen. Olemme toiveikkaita, sillä hän patisti edeltäjäänsä Wallinia tiukasti korjaamaan epäkohdan.</span></div></div></li></ul><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2008829972968920994-2774033502348687577?l=elvisry.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>Petri Kaivantohttps://profiles.google.com/112812425033424525395noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2008829972968920994.post-61640329411658835562009-11-16T01:02:00.002+02:002009-11-16T01:29:09.883+02:00Voitto Saamenmaahan!Koitetaanpa saada tähän blogiin eloa ja aloitetaan iloisella uutisella.<div><br /></div><div>Vuotsolais-inarilainen saameksi esiintyvä hard rock -bändi <b><a href="http://www.myspace.com/sombyfinland">Somby</a></b> voitti Euroopan vähemmistökielten laulukilpailun <a href="http://www.liet.nl/en/internationaal/">Liet Internationalin</a> 31.10.2009. Friisinmaassa järjestettävä kilpailu järjestettiin nyt kuudetta kertaa. Hyvä pojat ja tytöt!</div><div><br /></div><div>Niukasti kakkoseksi jäänyt sardinialainen <b>Dr. Drer</b> voitti yleisöäänestyksen. Muut tällä kertaa mukana olleet vähemmistökielet olivat sijoittumisjärjestyksessä friuli, iiri, friisi, karjala, gaeli, alasaksi, asturia, oksitaani ja latgalli. </div><div><br /></div><div>Kuriositeettina mainittakoon, että euroviisuissa saameksi on kilpaillut vain Norja vuonna 1980. Irlanti on kilpaillut iiriksi kerran 1972. EU:n suurin vähemmistökieli ilman virallisen kielen asemaa EU:ssa on katalaani. Andorra alkoi osallistua euroviisuihin vuonna 2004 erityisesti tuodakseen katalaanin kielen esiin. </div><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2008829972968920994-6164032941165883556?l=elvisry.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>Petri Kaivantohttps://profiles.google.com/112812425033424525395noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2008829972968920994.post-65126450993703327662009-04-16T17:49:00.000+03:002009-04-16T18:00:07.214+03:00Suositeltavaa luettavaa Journalistissa<div>Heikki Jokinen kirjoittaa Journalistissa hyvitysmaksun uhkakuvista</div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.journalisti.fi/tuotteet.html?id=195/978">http://www.journalisti.fi/tuotteet.html?id=195/978</a><div><br /></div><div>Helmikuussa Journalisti kirjoitti työsuhdeolettamasta</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://www.journalisti.fi/tuotteet.html?id=180/896">http://www.journalisti.fi/tuotteet.html?id=180/896</a><br /></div><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2008829972968920994-6512645099370332766?l=elvisry.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>Petri Kaivantohttps://profiles.google.com/112812425033424525395noreply@blogger.com1